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Poster: amosearle Date: Sep 5, 2008 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Any suggestions on a seriously grooving Mr. Charlie for today's 'get the paperwork done so I can get back home and finish remodeling my bathroom' music?

I would love to hear Samuel L. say that.

I'm beat stupid from ripping my bathroom out of the house over labor day, ceiling, walls, tub, floor, everything...
I get to install the commode back up tomorrow. I'm getting tired of having a Dumpster and a Portajohn in my driveway.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Hey Amos--hope you got the b-room more or less together, and just wanted to say "thanks" for the fine time we had with this little starting point.

Thanks to Craven and all you other participants too...keeps me coming round these parts. We successfully avoided the obvious interpretation in which Mr Charle is seen as a Republican and then...

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Poster: amosearle Date: Sep 7, 2008 5:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Dick Cheney shoots him in the Face!

The renovation is moving along, slowly but surely, thanks.

Remember, Charlie Don't Surf! I don't really hear a Vietnam reference, but the timing's right.

I think this one has a lot of room for discussion, but I've thought this was a little about drugs, a little about the swagger of being out on the town, a little about dealing with the boss man, and little about watching people dance to this groove in the song...it sure is the groove that gets me going sometimes.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 7, 2008 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Classic.

You're still quick as ever.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED

Just cutting & pasting from DDodds, but all this talk about the song got me to listening to it, and realizing once again what a fantastic little ditty it is...

Nothing more than that. Didn't realize the Yale show was the first performance (below). Here's the lyrics and a few other tidbits:

"Mister Charlie"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Ron McKernan
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission

I take a little powder
I take a little salt
I put it in my shotgun
and I go walking out

Chuba-chuba
Wooley-booley
Looking high
Looking low
Gonna scare you up and shoot you
Cause Mr. Charlie told me so

I won't take you life
Won't even take a limb
Just unload my shotgun
and take a little skin

Chuba-chuba
Wooley-booley
Looking high
Looking low
Gonna scare you up and shoot you
Cause Mr. Charlie told me so

Well you take a silver dollar
Take a silver dime
Mix em both together
in some alligator wine

I can hear the drums
Voo-doo all night long
Mr. Charlie tellin me
I can't do nothin wrong

Chuba-chuba
Wooley-booley
Looking high
Looking low
Gonna scare you up and shoot you
Cause Mr. Charlie told me so

Now Mr. Charlie told me
Thought you'd like to know
Give you a little warning
before I let you go

Chuba-chuba
Wooley-booley
Lookin high
Lookin low
Gonna scare you up and shoot you
Cause Mr. Charlie told me so


"Mister Charlie"
Musical details:
Key: A
Time signature: 4/4
Chords used: A7, D, A, E, C, C#, D#
Songbook availability:
Anthology, vol. 2
Recorded on Europe '72. Sung by Pigpen.

First performance July 31, 1971 at the Yale Bowl, Yale University. Appeared in the third spot in the first set, following the very first "Sugaree" and preceding "Mama Tried."

Hunter performed the song on his March 1997 solo tour.

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Poster: veblen Date: Sep 6, 2008 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED

I do believe it is a small gold nugget that is often overlooked...there are some early versions where you can tell jerry is having the time of his life singing the harmonies...he just seems to be really happy...

the august 71 berzerkeley shows are good examples...

Chuba-chuba
Wooley-booley

for what's worth I go with the deep south point of view over that of it being about chasbo manson...but it does seem to fit that way as well...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED

Bingo! I can "hear" him smiling...

Just always seemed that way to me too, though I never saw them do it...

It and Operator are probably my two fav PP tunes.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 6, 2008 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED

Interesting commentary/points of view re the song - I'd always thought of the song from the racial viewpoint of Mr. Charlie, not the junkie viewpoint. I must say that analysis of the song is pretty convincing - I guess I was a little naive and never gave it much thought.

http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/charlie.html

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED

Funny; me too. I deleted those notations but went back and read them (didn't think they would make sense when I cut them to paste here).

Thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie REVISITED; what do you think Ashes?

Just went thru them ALL; not sure now...would be another great one for Hunter to comment on. Ashes probably knows what he's said about it, if anything...

I have come back a bit toward leaning to the original, "Deep South" scenario for it, with the usual cryptical components thrown in...

Great one for analysis that I never thought I'd find in a song that sounds so simplistic.

China Cat, here we come.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 5, 2008 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Try Gaelic Park...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-26.sbd.miller-rolfe.32303.flac16

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Sep 5, 2008 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Killer version, thanks for the hit.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Sep 5, 2008 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Thanks, Guys.

I'm too lazy to look it up today, apparently. I also like to get an idea of what the forumites like to hear.

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Sep 5, 2008 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Check out this recently added up grade:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-04-11.sbd.jackson.smith.94377.sbeok.flac16

Nice review from SkyDawg.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 5, 2008 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

First one (they don't quite have the formula yet):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-07-31.winberg.weiner.5678.gdADT05.sbefail.shnf

Other good ones:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-05.aud.cotsman.9768.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-06.aud.bertrando.yerys.129.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-14.sbd.ladner.21268.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-15.sbd.ladner.21780.sbeok.shnf


crappy aud; some of DP 35:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-23.aud.cotsman.9759.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-26.sbd.dopey.1559.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-01.set2-sbd.lai.3898.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-02.sbd.lai.6255.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-04.sbd.lai.6256.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-05.prefm.miller.3391.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-06.sbd.kaplan.2418.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-09.sbd.kaplan.3345.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-10.sbd.yerys.1311.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-14.sbd.deibert.12763.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-15.set1-sbd.harrison.hanno.16464.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-31.fm.lanum.135.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-01-02.sbd.eD.8709.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-05.aud.miller.20704.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-21.sbd-disk1.samaritano.15041.sbeok.shnf

1972-3-22&23 ~ Acadamy of Music: N/A

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-25.aud.hanno.8838.sbeok.shnf

Lousy sound quality:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-26.aud.hanno.15413.sbeok.shnf

Also questionable quality:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-27.aud.hanno.15816.sbeok.shnf

Crappy aud of DP 30:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-28.aud.hanno.15414.sbeok.shnf

Deemed "unlistenable":
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-07.aud.hanno.6161.sbeok.shnf

5 star show:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-08.sbd.giles-jeffm.2534.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-11.sbd.giles.12186.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-14.sbd.hurwitt.8828.sbeok.shnf

On set list, but not on player (possible Europe 72?):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-16.sbd.miller.18103.sbeok.shnf

Beat Club. Again on set list, but not player:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-21.fm.vernon.9380.sbeok.shnf

Rockin On The Rhein:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-24.sbd-aud.cotsman.16332.sbeok.shnf

1972-04-26=Hundred Year Hall

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-29.aud.vernon.5250.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-03.sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-04.sbd.hamilton.143.sbeok.shnf

1972-05-07=Steppin Out with the GD

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-10.sbd.kaplan.1582.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-11.sbd.ashley-bertha.7364.sbefail.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-13.sbd.ladner.3457.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-16.sbd.unknown.10353.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-18.sbd.unicorn.2266.sbeok.shnf

1972-05-23=Steppin Out with the GD

Crap sound:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-24.jones.macdonald.5920.sbeok.shnf

Nice Mr. Miller:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-25.sbd.miller.87682.sbeok.flac16


Unfortunately, the last one:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-26.sbd.hollister.12758.sbeok.shnf

These are the ones I like
OOOOOPPPPS, that's ALL of them!

hope this helps you get through your chores





This post was modified by craven714 on 2008-09-05 20:04:42

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Poster: amosearle Date: Sep 5, 2008 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

7-31-71 Yale Bowl has some background bowl smoking coughing in it. I think I hear a Hashish reference toward the end in the crowd chatter.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 5, 2008 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Master of the Obvious, but damn, that 8-6-71 aud is so fine. Thanks for making me listen to it, yet again. LOVE the HTH.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 5, 2008 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

I can't get over how many different versions have been uploaded of this show...amazing. Even when you think you know a show, these alternates and upgrades are going to keep things interesting for years to come.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 5, 2008 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: chuba-chuba

Wooley-booley

(I always thought it was "Holy Moley" till I looked it up right now)

Great Post.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2008 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: chuba-chuba

Did you read thru all the comments there? At Dodds?

Others thought so too...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 6, 2008 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: chuba-chuba

Yes indeedy
Thought the speedball analogy was spot on. Hell, I always thought the song was about the old curmudgeon rumored to be in our neighborhood that would shot at kids w/rocksalt who went trespassing on his property -- guess I was wrong.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Sep 5, 2008 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Mr. Charlie Motherload!

Thanks, man.

Samuel L. would be proud if he knew...

Now I'll spend the time coming through these instead of renting a tile saw... no I won't, crapper installed, then music. There are some priorities Non-Dead related...

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Poster: waynecs Date: Sep 5, 2008 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

The one that stands out for me is the one on Rockin The Rhein which prolly doesn't help unless you have it with you,sorry.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 5, 2008 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

I seem to recall the Strand being a pretty good one

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-26.sbd.mvernon.5931.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 5, 2008 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

I really like the one on the Road Trips Summer disks for 71, which I think means it is from 8-6-71, but unfortunately, I don't have those disks with me to check. Suppose I could double check the AUDs here for 8-6 to see if it sounds as good, but I love the sound quality on that little gem from the commercial release.

Jerry and Pig have a great chemistry on that one in particular.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 5, 2008 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-vol-1-number-3

click on the Yale show 7-31-71
I think this is the one on Road Trips (the 1st Mr. Charlie)
what are your thoughts on it?
could it be 8/6? I dunno......I don't have the disc in
front of me to compare

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 5, 2008 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Just checked and Mr Charlie is listed from Road Trips, disk 3, as 8-6-71. It's the one right after the Bertha from that show and prior to HtoH.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 5, 2008 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

thank you for the clarification my good sir :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 5, 2008 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Right; will check--somehow, it sounded like the 8-6 one to me, but will check the disk info and get back to you all tonight.

Good one, wherever!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 5, 2008 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

oh lord! this audience is one of THE best here!!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-06.aud.bertrando.yerys.129.sbeok.shnf

look no further

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 5, 2008 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Charlie Says What?

Did you notice HOW MANY AUDs are now available?

A number of different versions available, and downloadable!

Sweet.